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	<title>Comments for Fleep's Deep Thoughts</title>
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	<description>Politics, Technology in Education, Art, Music, Life</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Fave SL Blogs:  The Educators &#038; Non-Profits by Kevin Jarrett</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/07/06/fave-sl-blogs-the-educators-non-profits/#comment-9829</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Jarrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fleep! Thanks! 

Are you going to GLS?

http://www.glsconference.org/

I'll be there with Peggy Sheehy, among others!

-kj-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fleep! Thanks! </p>
<p>Are you going to GLS?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.glsconference.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.glsconference.org/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be there with Peggy Sheehy, among others!</p>
<p>-kj-</p>
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		<title>Comment on Personal Economics of Social Media by Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/06/25/personal-economics-of-social-media/#comment-9659</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slide no. 16 sums it all up! University gives you money; social media only sucks up time! The time never turns into money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slide no. 16 sums it all up! University gives you money; social media only sucks up time! The time never turns into money!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Personal Economics of Social Media by Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/06/25/personal-economics-of-social-media/#comment-9658</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intellagirl's PowerPoint is ridiculous. It's facile and reductive like all PowerPoints are, and that dumbs down thinking.

Your club or your gang or you posse cannot get you paid, and that's all social media networks are. They add some colour and density to lives that might be more shallow, but more often than not they make people who might be more dense become more shallow with gadzillions of strangers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intellagirl&#8217;s PowerPoint is ridiculous. It&#8217;s facile and reductive like all PowerPoints are, and that dumbs down thinking.</p>
<p>Your club or your gang or you posse cannot get you paid, and that&#8217;s all social media networks are. They add some colour and density to lives that might be more shallow, but more often than not they make people who might be more dense become more shallow with gadzillions of strangers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Personal Economics of Social Media by Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/06/25/personal-economics-of-social-media/#comment-9657</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fleep, it's great that you wrote this, and I hope you will keep up the great questioning, even though now you are FIC 2.5 and sucked into Metanomics.

There *isn't* any way to make money from social media time and therefore you need to severely limit it. The old academic "publish or perish" still holds true, and publishing on Twitter or Friendfeed or your blog just doesn't count.

More and more people are discovering that there isn't any economics to social media just like there isn't any "economics of the telephone". It's something you use, if you have something to say. By itself, it doesn't get you paid. You have to say something to someone else that will pay off.

So many people have been going around playing with these tools and interviewing themselves interviewing the tools that they forget that they are just running in circles. They aren't using them for much yet, and may never use them. If you don't have something that pays out already before you start, it's hard to squeeze much more out of it just in itself. It does not pay.

The social media gurus who run medicine shows and go around to all the camp meetings squeeze more than most of us but they can't really make a living, either.

I don't know Intellagirl's story, but she has hustled herself, worked very hard, gotten a book published, gotten on all the right conference panels, and probably has made this work. I don't think she did that in a vacuum. She likely has a teaching job and/or a husband supporting her social media guru gigs -- it is very hard for most people to make them do more than merely add fun-ness to their drab work lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fleep, it&#8217;s great that you wrote this, and I hope you will keep up the great questioning, even though now you are FIC 2.5 and sucked into Metanomics.</p>
<p>There *isn&#8217;t* any way to make money from social media time and therefore you need to severely limit it. The old academic &#8220;publish or perish&#8221; still holds true, and publishing on Twitter or Friendfeed or your blog just doesn&#8217;t count.</p>
<p>More and more people are discovering that there isn&#8217;t any economics to social media just like there isn&#8217;t any &#8220;economics of the telephone&#8221;. It&#8217;s something you use, if you have something to say. By itself, it doesn&#8217;t get you paid. You have to say something to someone else that will pay off.</p>
<p>So many people have been going around playing with these tools and interviewing themselves interviewing the tools that they forget that they are just running in circles. They aren&#8217;t using them for much yet, and may never use them. If you don&#8217;t have something that pays out already before you start, it&#8217;s hard to squeeze much more out of it just in itself. It does not pay.</p>
<p>The social media gurus who run medicine shows and go around to all the camp meetings squeeze more than most of us but they can&#8217;t really make a living, either.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know Intellagirl&#8217;s story, but she has hustled herself, worked very hard, gotten a book published, gotten on all the right conference panels, and probably has made this work. I don&#8217;t think she did that in a vacuum. She likely has a teaching job and/or a husband supporting her social media guru gigs &#8212; it is very hard for most people to make them do more than merely add fun-ness to their drab work lives.</p>
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		<title>Comment on FIC 2.5 by Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/06/29/fic-25/#comment-9656</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fear of appearing ridiculous before one's credentialed peers has kept many a one on the FIC list for years : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fear of appearing ridiculous before one&#8217;s credentialed peers has kept many a one on the FIC list for years : )</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fave SL Blogs:  The Thinkers by policywank</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/07/01/fave-sl-blogs-the-thinkers/#comment-9280</link>
		<dc:creator>policywank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Fleep.

This ought to provide me with a way not to work today. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Fleep.</p>
<p>This ought to provide me with a way not to work today. ;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on 5 Minute University by Greg Mefford</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/06/30/5-minute-university/#comment-9273</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Mefford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's great, sign me up!
I wonder if he'd do an engineering degree in 5 minutes, or if that would take 10?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s great, sign me up!<br />
I wonder if he&#8217;d do an engineering degree in 5 minutes, or if that would take 10?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Informal Learning, Human Brains, &#038; Cloud Computing by Jen</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/06/28/informal-learning-human-brains-cloud-computing/#comment-9178</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read your post Saturday but didn't get a chance to reply. It's always so comforting to meet someone who shares a similar thought process.  I'm so glad you posted it in this format.  My thoughts flow the same way, but I rarely document the process.  There are a few other things I've come up with that affect this discussion.
1.  Maybe these tools just suit the natural brain functions of some of us and before they existed, we just weren't using our minds productively.  Maybe the tools facilitate the process we work best with anyway.  From what I've observed, the people who tend to thrive in this environment, are those who've struggled their entire lives to figure out which side of the brain is dominant.  So maybe our brain chemistry isn't changing, we've just found a scaffold to help us organize our thoughts.
2.  There is not enough discussion about the design of these tools as they relate to brain function.  I know many of them are created without regard to that, as they are developed for commercial purposes only, and any psychological consideration is centered around reward schedules.  There is much to be said about value-sensitive design, and engineering applications with the intent to influence specific brain functions.
Great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your post Saturday but didn&#8217;t get a chance to reply. It&#8217;s always so comforting to meet someone who shares a similar thought process.  I&#8217;m so glad you posted it in this format.  My thoughts flow the same way, but I rarely document the process.  There are a few other things I&#8217;ve come up with that affect this discussion.<br />
1.  Maybe these tools just suit the natural brain functions of some of us and before they existed, we just weren&#8217;t using our minds productively.  Maybe the tools facilitate the process we work best with anyway.  From what I&#8217;ve observed, the people who tend to thrive in this environment, are those who&#8217;ve struggled their entire lives to figure out which side of the brain is dominant.  So maybe our brain chemistry isn&#8217;t changing, we&#8217;ve just found a scaffold to help us organize our thoughts.<br />
2.  There is not enough discussion about the design of these tools as they relate to brain function.  I know many of them are created without regard to that, as they are developed for commercial purposes only, and any psychological consideration is centered around reward schedules.  There is much to be said about value-sensitive design, and engineering applications with the intent to influence specific brain functions.<br />
Great post!</p>
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		<title>Comment on FIC 2.5 by policywank</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/06/29/fic-25/#comment-9167</link>
		<dc:creator>policywank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more things change, the more they stay the same. This is the 21st century equivalent of being one of those leet bbs people...which you were accused of a time or two back in the day. :)

What are some of these blogs you refer to? Tell me your top 5 SL blogs. Maybe if SL were someplace more than a virtual world where I wander around and never interact with anyone I know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more things change, the more they stay the same. This is the 21st century equivalent of being one of those leet bbs people&#8230;which you were accused of a time or two back in the day. :)</p>
<p>What are some of these blogs you refer to? Tell me your top 5 SL blogs. Maybe if SL were someplace more than a virtual world where I wander around and never interact with anyone I know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on FIC 2.5 by economic mip</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/06/29/fic-25/#comment-9098</link>
		<dc:creator>economic mip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is pretty bad that my first thought was that I am glad to not be on the list. It is important to remember that this is simply one person's opinion, to my recollection, Linden Labs spammed about a dozen users emails (those with the most online hours who were viewed as "active") and Fleep and I were both on that list, as were several FIC members. Of course said survey had actually very little impact. Basically, if you are doing anything in SL at all that is public, you are going to get FIC claims from someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is pretty bad that my first thought was that I am glad to not be on the list. It is important to remember that this is simply one person&#8217;s opinion, to my recollection, Linden Labs spammed about a dozen users emails (those with the most online hours who were viewed as &#8220;active&#8221;) and Fleep and I were both on that list, as were several FIC members. Of course said survey had actually very little impact. Basically, if you are doing anything in SL at all that is public, you are going to get FIC claims from someone.</p>
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