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	<title>Comments on: CCK08 - Off The Wagon, But Not Off My Mind</title>
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		<title>By: CCK08: Thank You! &#171; Clyde Street</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/11/21/cck08-off-the-wagon-but-not-off-my-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-18495</link>
		<dc:creator>CCK08: Thank You! &#171; Clyde Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to the Moodle forums and bandwidth in rural NSW did very strange things to Pageflakes and made any Second Life participation impossible. I did not tweet and had minimal input to Facebook. I missed the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to the Moodle forums and bandwidth in rural NSW did very strange things to Pageflakes and made any Second Life participation impossible. I did not tweet and had minimal input to Facebook. I missed the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Maru del Campo</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/11/21/cck08-off-the-wagon-but-not-off-my-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-18230</link>
		<dc:creator>Maru del Campo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Fleep!

I really appreciate all you have done, I'm sorry I could not take advantage of all of it.  During the first weeks when the momentum was high I was so overwhelmed with the information that I kept missing the meetings, by the time I started visiting I met others there just once, the other times there was no one.  I didn't get to meet you in world touch I enjoyed the bike ride. Thanks a lot.

What you mention about wikis happens to me as well, people like to go and move around but only few collaborate.

You are not off the wagon, as you mention, the wagon is still there with all the goodies inside.

I hope to keep in touch with you.  Have a nice week.  Maru :X</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Fleep!</p>
<p>I really appreciate all you have done, I&#8217;m sorry I could not take advantage of all of it.  During the first weeks when the momentum was high I was so overwhelmed with the information that I kept missing the meetings, by the time I started visiting I met others there just once, the other times there was no one.  I didn&#8217;t get to meet you in world touch I enjoyed the bike ride. Thanks a lot.</p>
<p>What you mention about wikis happens to me as well, people like to go and move around but only few collaborate.</p>
<p>You are not off the wagon, as you mention, the wagon is still there with all the goodies inside.</p>
<p>I hope to keep in touch with you.  Have a nice week.  Maru :X</p>
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		<title>By: Connectivism &#38; Connective Knowledge &#187; Who is still participating?</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/11/21/cck08-off-the-wagon-but-not-off-my-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-18226</link>
		<dc:creator>Connectivism &#38; Connective Knowledge &#187; Who is still participating?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] numerous times, but I don&#8217;t know the stats or attendance numbers or their recent activity. Fleep Tuque has some thoughts on SL, but doesn&#8217;t really provide information on numbers attending and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] numerous times, but I don&#8217;t know the stats or attendance numbers or their recent activity. Fleep Tuque has some thoughts on SL, but doesn&#8217;t really provide information on numbers attending and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blanche Maynard (aka Louise)</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/11/21/cck08-off-the-wagon-but-not-off-my-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-18214</link>
		<dc:creator>Blanche Maynard (aka Louise)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fleep,

I cannot thank you enough for all your work and the opportunity you've provided all of us to interact and connect. I was a regular at the weekly Tuesday meetings and although I've missed your presence, I've met other intelligent and articulate people with whom I have had great conversations on what learning meant. I've enjoyed every single meeting - even the ones where only two of us showed up.

It was a worthwhile experience for me. I will miss my weekly connectivism meetings in SL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fleep,</p>
<p>I cannot thank you enough for all your work and the opportunity you&#8217;ve provided all of us to interact and connect. I was a regular at the weekly Tuesday meetings and although I&#8217;ve missed your presence, I&#8217;ve met other intelligent and articulate people with whom I have had great conversations on what learning meant. I&#8217;ve enjoyed every single meeting - even the ones where only two of us showed up.</p>
<p>It was a worthwhile experience for me. I will miss my weekly connectivism meetings in SL.</p>
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		<title>By: *DRAFT* FINAL PROJECT: Tag! You&#8217;re It! A Celebration of Loose Ties &#171; Arieliondotcom the LORD-loving Learning Lion</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/11/21/cck08-off-the-wagon-but-not-off-my-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-18174</link>
		<dc:creator>*DRAFT* FINAL PROJECT: Tag! You&#8217;re It! A Celebration of Loose Ties &#171; Arieliondotcom the LORD-loving Learning Lion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] others, throughout this presentation and even in another (virtual) world, Second Life. Thanks to Fleep Tuque, another &#8220;tie&#8221; which I hope strengthens, who I came to know through this course, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] others, throughout this presentation and even in another (virtual) world, Second Life. Thanks to Fleep Tuque, another &#8220;tie&#8221; which I hope strengthens, who I came to know through this course, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CCK08: Week 11 End of Term Feeling? &#171; Clyde Street</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/11/21/cck08-off-the-wagon-but-not-off-my-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-18169</link>
		<dc:creator>CCK08: Week 11 End of Term Feeling? &#171; Clyde Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] times a little too much, so I feel it is time to reflect on the course and hopefully myself.&#8221; Fleep posted a delightful item at the end of the week with a memorable first paragraph &#8220;Between the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] times a little too much, so I feel it is time to reflect on the course and hopefully myself.&#8221; Fleep posted a delightful item at the end of the week with a memorable first paragraph &#8220;Between the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Downes</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/11/21/cck08-off-the-wagon-but-not-off-my-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-18124</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Downes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this article. This is a part of the course I didn't really get to explore and I really appreciate the summary telling m what happened over here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this article. This is a part of the course I didn&#8217;t really get to explore and I really appreciate the summary telling m what happened over here.</p>
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		<title>By: Corcosman Voom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corcosman Voom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an SLer outside the cohort, I was/am very impressed with the Connectivism village. The combination of personal space with open space at the center was perfect, in my opinion. The reading room (although I didn't actually read anything) and the open plaza were very inviting.

SL can be a fairly intimidating platform for someone coming for the first time with no prior 3D experience, I think. As you point out, this project took a lot of your time, and I can imagine someone who signed up and logged on a few times deciding it would take too much of their time just to get comfortable with the SL basics to be of value to them.

And, once again, getting a glimpse of all the 'behind the scenes' work you do I am left thinking, "She's gotta be at least three people, one person can't do all that stuff".

I think I read somewhere regarding what makes a good website - if it takes more than two or three clicks to get the viewer where they want to go, you'll probably lose them. I think the principle applies to wikis and SL. It takes several clicks to participate in wikis and an untold number of 'clicks' to do anything at all in SL. That's time and I think everyone takes that into account, "How much time do I have for this? Is there a faster way that I am familiar with?"

Blog comments are easy. A couple of clicks and I am done. One click and I can come back and see if there is a conversation going on, even if it is asynchronous, there still can be a flow to blog comments just like forum posts - a format I am more familiar with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an SLer outside the cohort, I was/am very impressed with the Connectivism village. The combination of personal space with open space at the center was perfect, in my opinion. The reading room (although I didn&#8217;t actually read anything) and the open plaza were very inviting.</p>
<p>SL can be a fairly intimidating platform for someone coming for the first time with no prior 3D experience, I think. As you point out, this project took a lot of your time, and I can imagine someone who signed up and logged on a few times deciding it would take too much of their time just to get comfortable with the SL basics to be of value to them.</p>
<p>And, once again, getting a glimpse of all the &#8216;behind the scenes&#8217; work you do I am left thinking, &#8220;She&#8217;s gotta be at least three people, one person can&#8217;t do all that stuff&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think I read somewhere regarding what makes a good website - if it takes more than two or three clicks to get the viewer where they want to go, you&#8217;ll probably lose them. I think the principle applies to wikis and SL. It takes several clicks to participate in wikis and an untold number of &#8216;clicks&#8217; to do anything at all in SL. That&#8217;s time and I think everyone takes that into account, &#8220;How much time do I have for this? Is there a faster way that I am familiar with?&#8221;</p>
<p>Blog comments are easy. A couple of clicks and I am done. One click and I can come back and see if there is a conversation going on, even if it is asynchronous, there still can be a flow to blog comments just like forum posts - a format I am more familiar with.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Mills</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/11/21/cck08-off-the-wagon-but-not-off-my-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-18109</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect a lot of people had doubts about their ability to commit time. I think it's natural to over-estimate on this and not factor in contingencies. That said, I really want to return to the artefacts of CCK08 at some stage to mull them over further. I'm struggling for a metaphor here but even though I also fell off the wagon, I'm maybe hoping to pick it up again on its return trip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect a lot of people had doubts about their ability to commit time. I think it&#8217;s natural to over-estimate on this and not factor in contingencies. That said, I really want to return to the artefacts of CCK08 at some stage to mull them over further. I&#8217;m struggling for a metaphor here but even though I also fell off the wagon, I&#8217;m maybe hoping to pick it up again on its return trip.</p>
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		<title>By: arieliondotcom</title>
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		<dc:creator>arieliondotcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Fleep

I think I can speak for everyone officially in the SL Cohort in saying you more than participated in #CCK08 you provided examples of the points we discussed in a way that engaged and educated us. Having the metaphor of the reading room helped me overcome being overwhelmed by the material and, as the course material suggests, connecting with you over the material allowed us to make other connections to more knowledge and each other.  If not for you my avatar would be standing on some poor avatar's head as I try to figure out how to create a square. In other words, you were a facilitator/instructor to most of us. I hope we will stay in touch at some level. I continue to grow from your expertise. Stop me before I rez again. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Fleep</p>
<p>I think I can speak for everyone officially in the SL Cohort in saying you more than participated in #CCK08 you provided examples of the points we discussed in a way that engaged and educated us. Having the metaphor of the reading room helped me overcome being overwhelmed by the material and, as the course material suggests, connecting with you over the material allowed us to make other connections to more knowledge and each other.  If not for you my avatar would be standing on some poor avatar&#8217;s head as I try to figure out how to create a square. In other words, you were a facilitator/instructor to most of us. I hope we will stay in touch at some level. I continue to grow from your expertise. Stop me before I rez again. :)</p>
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