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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/06/25/personal-economics-of-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-9659</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slide no. 16 sums it all up! University gives you money; social media only sucks up time! The time never turns into money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slide no. 16 sums it all up! University gives you money; social media only sucks up time! The time never turns into money!</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/06/25/personal-economics-of-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-9658</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intellagirl's PowerPoint is ridiculous. It's facile and reductive like all PowerPoints are, and that dumbs down thinking.

Your club or your gang or you posse cannot get you paid, and that's all social media networks are. They add some colour and density to lives that might be more shallow, but more often than not they make people who might be more dense become more shallow with gadzillions of strangers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intellagirl&#8217;s PowerPoint is ridiculous. It&#8217;s facile and reductive like all PowerPoints are, and that dumbs down thinking.</p>
<p>Your club or your gang or you posse cannot get you paid, and that&#8217;s all social media networks are. They add some colour and density to lives that might be more shallow, but more often than not they make people who might be more dense become more shallow with gadzillions of strangers.</p>
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		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/06/25/personal-economics-of-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-9657</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fleep, it's great that you wrote this, and I hope you will keep up the great questioning, even though now you are FIC 2.5 and sucked into Metanomics.

There *isn't* any way to make money from social media time and therefore you need to severely limit it. The old academic "publish or perish" still holds true, and publishing on Twitter or Friendfeed or your blog just doesn't count.

More and more people are discovering that there isn't any economics to social media just like there isn't any "economics of the telephone". It's something you use, if you have something to say. By itself, it doesn't get you paid. You have to say something to someone else that will pay off.

So many people have been going around playing with these tools and interviewing themselves interviewing the tools that they forget that they are just running in circles. They aren't using them for much yet, and may never use them. If you don't have something that pays out already before you start, it's hard to squeeze much more out of it just in itself. It does not pay.

The social media gurus who run medicine shows and go around to all the camp meetings squeeze more than most of us but they can't really make a living, either.

I don't know Intellagirl's story, but she has hustled herself, worked very hard, gotten a book published, gotten on all the right conference panels, and probably has made this work. I don't think she did that in a vacuum. She likely has a teaching job and/or a husband supporting her social media guru gigs -- it is very hard for most people to make them do more than merely add fun-ness to their drab work lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fleep, it&#8217;s great that you wrote this, and I hope you will keep up the great questioning, even though now you are FIC 2.5 and sucked into Metanomics.</p>
<p>There *isn&#8217;t* any way to make money from social media time and therefore you need to severely limit it. The old academic &#8220;publish or perish&#8221; still holds true, and publishing on Twitter or Friendfeed or your blog just doesn&#8217;t count.</p>
<p>More and more people are discovering that there isn&#8217;t any economics to social media just like there isn&#8217;t any &#8220;economics of the telephone&#8221;. It&#8217;s something you use, if you have something to say. By itself, it doesn&#8217;t get you paid. You have to say something to someone else that will pay off.</p>
<p>So many people have been going around playing with these tools and interviewing themselves interviewing the tools that they forget that they are just running in circles. They aren&#8217;t using them for much yet, and may never use them. If you don&#8217;t have something that pays out already before you start, it&#8217;s hard to squeeze much more out of it just in itself. It does not pay.</p>
<p>The social media gurus who run medicine shows and go around to all the camp meetings squeeze more than most of us but they can&#8217;t really make a living, either.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know Intellagirl&#8217;s story, but she has hustled herself, worked very hard, gotten a book published, gotten on all the right conference panels, and probably has made this work. I don&#8217;t think she did that in a vacuum. She likely has a teaching job and/or a husband supporting her social media guru gigs &#8212; it is very hard for most people to make them do more than merely add fun-ness to their drab work lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Informal Learning, Human Brains, &#38; Cloud Computing - Fleep&#8217;s Deep Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/06/25/personal-economics-of-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-9049</link>
		<dc:creator>Informal Learning, Human Brains, &#38; Cloud Computing - Fleep&#8217;s Deep Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posted a few days ago about the Personal Economics of Social Media, and highlighted Intellagirl&#8217;s slideshow, How Social Media is Pushing Higher Ed into Identity [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] posted a few days ago about the Personal Economics of Social Media, and highlighted Intellagirl&#8217;s slideshow, How Social Media is Pushing Higher Ed into Identity [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fleep</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/06/25/personal-economics-of-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-8997</link>
		<dc:creator>Fleep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sneblen:  That sounds very unfortunate, considering how much work goes into making a machinima piece!  Do you think the instructor understood how much work went into creating it?
 
Igori:  That's a very good point, "social media" is a very broad term and means lots of different things, with different tools and functions (and time investments!)..  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sneblen:  That sounds very unfortunate, considering how much work goes into making a machinima piece!  Do you think the instructor understood how much work went into creating it?</p>
<p>Igori:  That&#8217;s a very good point, &#8220;social media&#8221; is a very broad term and means lots of different things, with different tools and functions (and time investments!)..  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Igori Wheels</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/06/25/personal-economics-of-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-8984</link>
		<dc:creator>Igori Wheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>social media as such does not exist: you must differentiate between e.g. blogging, twittering, flickering, facebooking .. all afford a different kind of involvement and have a different "return on investment"

e.g. twitter allows to keep up to date with many communities in a very efficient way .. no way to this in a "traditional" way.

so my point would rather be: some social media are not mainly "consuming precious time" but rather allow very efficient communication (... and communication is education :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>social media as such does not exist: you must differentiate between e.g. blogging, twittering, flickering, facebooking .. all afford a different kind of involvement and have a different &#8220;return on investment&#8221;</p>
<p>e.g. twitter allows to keep up to date with many communities in a very efficient way .. no way to this in a &#8220;traditional&#8221; way.</p>
<p>so my point would rather be: some social media are not mainly &#8220;consuming precious time&#8221; but rather allow very efficient communication (&#8230; and communication is education :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Sneblen Dagger (Scott Kahler)</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/06/25/personal-economics-of-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-8976</link>
		<dc:creator>Sneblen Dagger (Scott Kahler)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a student, I have even had points taken off of graded assignments because it did not fit a traditional form. She asked for creativity. Instead of a boring lecture or a skit, I decided to make a machinima movie . All of my classmates were excited when I asked them. I dug around for hours looking for a DVD burner so I could properly present it in class. I worked for hours setting it up. Because I was also learning how to shoot it. 

I am not complaining. Honestly, it was not a lot of points. However, I did want to illustrate some reactions toward the new and novel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a student, I have even had points taken off of graded assignments because it did not fit a traditional form. She asked for creativity. Instead of a boring lecture or a skit, I decided to make a machinima movie . All of my classmates were excited when I asked them. I dug around for hours looking for a DVD burner so I could properly present it in class. I worked for hours setting it up. Because I was also learning how to shoot it. </p>
<p>I am not complaining. Honestly, it was not a lot of points. However, I did want to illustrate some reactions toward the new and novel.</p>
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		<title>By: Fleep</title>
		<link>http://fleeep.net/blog/2008/06/25/personal-economics-of-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-8969</link>
		<dc:creator>Fleep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen:  Are you kidding, I cannot even keep up with you these days.  :)

Intellagirl:  Definitely agree that institutional education is doing a disservice to students if they don't teach them how to use social media, but maybe question the word "expected" in the sense that, but for IT related fields, it doesn't seem that management/administrators even know those options exist, or what they do know, they block.   But certainly as those barriers come down, I think you're right on the money.  In fact, I think it goes beyond what they're "expected" to do and should translate into what they WANT to do.  I can't imagine NOT wanting up to date info, ready access to professionals in my field, 24/7 tech support, etc. etc.

I probably completely misread some of your slides, that's one of the dangers of SlideShare.  Seeing the talking points isn't the same as hearing the talk.  :)  When I read the Promise/Tools/Bargain sequence, the polisci part of my brain jumped straight to social contracts as the context.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen:  Are you kidding, I cannot even keep up with you these days.  :)</p>
<p>Intellagirl:  Definitely agree that institutional education is doing a disservice to students if they don&#8217;t teach them how to use social media, but maybe question the word &#8220;expected&#8221; in the sense that, but for IT related fields, it doesn&#8217;t seem that management/administrators even know those options exist, or what they do know, they block.   But certainly as those barriers come down, I think you&#8217;re right on the money.  In fact, I think it goes beyond what they&#8217;re &#8220;expected&#8221; to do and should translate into what they WANT to do.  I can&#8217;t imagine NOT wanting up to date info, ready access to professionals in my field, 24/7 tech support, etc. etc.</p>
<p>I probably completely misread some of your slides, that&#8217;s one of the dangers of SlideShare.  Seeing the talking points isn&#8217;t the same as hearing the talk.  :)  When I read the Promise/Tools/Bargain sequence, the polisci part of my brain jumped straight to social contracts as the context.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Intellagirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Intellagirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, you're brilliant as always. Second, I think the point I was making regarding the promise of institutionalized learning is more related to what we promise they'll learn rather than how they can cash it in. My concern is that so long as institutionalized education leaves social media out (or offers it in some contrived way) that we aren't preparing students for the methods of learning they'll be most expected to perform when they're done with their degree.
Agree? disagree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, you&#8217;re brilliant as always. Second, I think the point I was making regarding the promise of institutionalized learning is more related to what we promise they&#8217;ll learn rather than how they can cash it in. My concern is that so long as institutionalized education leaves social media out (or offers it in some contrived way) that we aren&#8217;t preparing students for the methods of learning they&#8217;ll be most expected to perform when they&#8217;re done with their degree.<br />
Agree? disagree?</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it really depends on your field of work.  For example, a lot of people told me I would go nowhere getting my MEd online.  However, my career field is eLearning, so it makes sense.  I can definitely say social media has had a positive economic impact on me.  I used it in my job interview and was hired to be a director, even though I had no previous experience as a director. I've also been invited to do more presentations, some for money, some not.  I think you really have to work on branding yourself, the way you and Sarah have.  The two of you are the people I always refer others to when I'm talking about success in social media.  If you're not seeing the rewards, you should be. You work harder than anyone I know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it really depends on your field of work.  For example, a lot of people told me I would go nowhere getting my MEd online.  However, my career field is eLearning, so it makes sense.  I can definitely say social media has had a positive economic impact on me.  I used it in my job interview and was hired to be a director, even though I had no previous experience as a director. I&#8217;ve also been invited to do more presentations, some for money, some not.  I think you really have to work on branding yourself, the way you and Sarah have.  The two of you are the people I always refer others to when I&#8217;m talking about success in social media.  If you&#8217;re not seeing the rewards, you should be. You work harder than anyone I know!</p>
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